Trump v Clinton: Who won the debate?


Anthony Zurcher North America reporter

We were promised a nuclear war between the candidates over allegations of sexual impropriety, and it didn’t take long for it to blow up.

But unlike a real nuclear war, with its mutually assured destruction, the participants were left standing after the exchange and had to slug it out for another hour.

What resulted was a muddled mess, with both candidates gaining the upper hand on occasion and stumbling in other moments.

Given that Mr Trump’s campaign has been in freefall over the past 48 hours, anything less than a total Jack-Nicholson-at-the-end-of-A-Few-Good-Men style meltdown onstage has to be deemed a marginal success on his part, and so it was.

The prospect that any significant portion of what is sure to be a massive television audience emerged from the evening with any change of opinion, however, is unlikely.

If Mr Trump’s overarching goal was to offer a performance that would allow him to cobble together an electoral majority on election day, then his sometimes glowering, often aggressive performance will fall far short.

Team Clinton, on other hand, has to view this as an opportunity missed. Her supporters were hoping for a political kill shot that would push Mr Trump’s remaining supporters toward the exit and turn the last month of the campaign into a glorified mop-up operation.

While she landed some staggering blows, it was by no means a rout. Instead, both candidates will likely emerge bloodied but not beaten.

Mrs Clinton still has by far the easiest path to the White House, but she’ll have to work for a few more weeks to earn it.

Here are some key moments from the debate, and how it played out for the two contenders.

Donald Trump uncensored

Mr Trump’s candid, lurid discussion of his (often unwelcome) sexual exploits has dominated the US political world for the last two days, and they were front-and-centre from the beginning of the debate. After a few feints and some pressure from moderator Anderson Cooper, the American public got the exchange they were all expecting and, quite likely, tuning in to see.

It began with Mr Trump asserting that “nobody has more respect for women than I do” – a response that had the reporters in the media work room snickering. Then Mrs Clinton took her shot.

“I think it’s clear to anyone who heard [the tape] that it represents exactly who he is,” she said. “Because we’ve seen this throughout the campaign.”

And from there, the gloves came off. After dismissing his recording as “locker room talk” for which he was sorry, Mr Trump unloaded every bit of malicious allegation and rumour he had.

He essentially accused former President Bill Clinton of rape. He dinged Mrs Clinton’s 1970s work as a public defender representing a rapist.

He ended it all by saying that as president he would order a federal investigation into Mrs Clinton that would end up with her imprisonment.

It was easily the most tawdry exchange in 56 years of televised presidential debates – one that will likely cast a shadow over US politics for years to come.

Mrs Clinton may have emerged the beneficiary, but the nation was the worse for it.

The Clinton trust factor

Mrs Clinton probably would have been satisfied if the debate had ended with that exchange, but that was just the beginning. The next few rounds would put her on her heels and prove that Mr Trump had learned a few lessons from his prior debate shortcomings.

Mrs Clinton was forced, once again, to explain her use of a private email server as secretary of state and, unlike the first debate, after saying she regretted the decision she quickly became mired in a more detailed explanation. Mr Trump then carved up her team’s unsupervised deletion of emails on the server that they deemed not work-related.

“If you did that in the private sector, you’d be put in jail, let alone after getting a subpoena from the United States Congress,” he said.

Mr Trump also went on the attack when Mrs Clinton was forced to respond to excerpts of her Wall Street speeches that were acquired by hackers possibly tied to the Russian government and released by Wikileaks.

Mrs Clinton – quite remarkably – didn’t deny that the documents were authentic.

Instead, she opted to explain her comments about having different public and private policy positions by saying it was a reference to a film about Abraham Lincoln.

“Honest Abe never lied,” Mr Trump shot back. “That’s the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you.”

Time and time again, Mr Trump hammered Mrs Clinton on the trust issue – which polls show is one of her greatest weaknesses. He repeatedly cited her primary opponent, Bernie Sanders, who said she showed a lack of judgement.

Unlike the previous debate, he showed something akin to message discipline and left Mrs Clinton staggered.

The policy gap

Part of the reason the middle portion of the debate was at times so challenging for Mrs Clinton was it often hinged on process questions – conflicts between the candidates and questions about their character. When the debate focused on policy, the gaps in Mr Trump’s knowledge were readily apparent.

During a question about healthcare reform, Mrs Clinton spoke of her desire to reform and repair the law (a pipe dream if Congress stays controlled by Republicans, of course).

Mr Trump offered a word salad consisting of calls to repeal what he termed a disastrous law and replace it with “plans that are so good, because we’re going to have so much competition” and talk of breaking lines.

He offered no details about how he’d ensured that pre-existing conditions could be covered without insurance mandates.

His discussion of tax policy boiled down to an assurance he’d cut rates “big league” and that Mrs Clinton would raise them.

When it came to US military policy in Syria, he ended up in a heated back-and-forth with debate co-moderator Martha Raddatz, saying he’d launch surprise attacks and asserting that Aleppo was already a lost cause.

He even made the rather astounding statement that he hadn’t spoken with Mike Pence – who has a different view about the use of US military force against Syrian government targets – and that he disagreed with his running mate.

People may disagree with Mrs Clinton’s answers on issues of foreign policy, taxes and healthcare reform, but at minimum they were coherent.



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